How many would be interested in....

[Drazi Guy]

Buying T-Shirts as a fundraiser for the site? Current bandwidth is about 50 gigs a month (thats with these forums being hosted on a non-pay server (Gagames)), and those of you who run websites know how expensive that gets.

Sanfam and I are considering several designs, such as one with the S14 logo on a breast pocket, and on the pack words saying "I fought for" Then the ItF logo, followed by the FirstOnes logo. Don't have an estimate on costs or anything, just need a general estimate on if it would be worth the production cost to create them. I would have to pre-confirm the number of orders first too, before I went and got them printed. Estimate on cost would probably be about 20 bucks US, with maybe 6-7 of that being the profit.

I am also working on putting together some kind of commemorative picture CD about our efforts, our story, and all of you.That idea's still fuzzy too, and I am waiting to hear back from Rick and Randy about how much of the "full story" we would be allowed to tell...

Let me know...

[Vertigo1]

Depends on how much shipping would cost. Thats alot of money to spend on a T-shirt.

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[samuelk]

I'd buy a t-shirt and would Definitely get a Picture CD...

[Entil'Zha]

Originally posted by Drazi Guy:
Buying T-Shirts as a fundraiser for the site? Current bandwidth is about 50 gigs a month (thats with these forums being hosted on a non-pay server (Gagames)), and those of you who run websites know how expensive that gets.

Sanfam and I are considering several designs, such as one with the S14 logo on a breast pocket, and on the pack words saying "I fought for" Then the ItF logo, followed by the FirstOnes logo. Don't have an estimate on costs or anything, just need a general estimate on if it would be worth the production cost to create them. I would have to pre-confirm the number of orders first too, before I went and got them printed. Estimate on cost would probably be about 20 bucks US, with maybe 6-7 of that being the profit.

Let me know...


I know that i'd be interested.



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[Canuck]

I definately would be interested... a t-shirt and the CD would be cool!

[Arik]

If the design looks good, I'd be very interested.

[Greven]

I may...

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[Marcus*COAL*Peake]

BUMP.


I'd Deffinately Buy one or two.
(one in the wash and one to wear!!)
Please please please.
That would be a first for a BBS aye?

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[Marcus*COAL*Peake]

BTW how much are you looking to raise .
(If thats not too personal)

[Rick]

Please be sure to get permission from JP first--I have no objections at all, and I doubt he will either, but better safe than sorry...

I have the latest logo in several (large) formats that should reduce well to tee-shirt size.

You could go for the "Pearl Harbor" sentimentality by writing "Remember ItF" in serpentine on the back... http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif

--Rick

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[Biggles]

I would buy both!
And yeah, the permission thing occured to me last night when I posted this idea to the Twilight thread. It is his logo, after all.

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[Cactushead]

I'd be interested in a T-shirt even though the shipping would be more for all us fans in the UK.

I hope you're thinking of a Green coloured T-shirt http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif

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[Biggles]

No purple! It looks more outrageuos!
Or a combination! Green on the front, purple on the back! http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif

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[Marcus*COAL*Peake]

Can we have a Vorklift in the bottom lefthand corner and a Water cooler on the right????? wink wink!!!

[Cactushead]

Biggles, how about this for a compromise - green on the outside, pruple on the inside http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif

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[Leckster]

Oh dear god that would be orgasmic!! i would shure buy one!!! but it would have to be a black tee shirt!!

[Drazi Guy]

I think doing different colours on each side would reall push the price up guys http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif

20 US ought to cover shipping.... am counting on paying about 10 bucks canadian for the shirts, then 6-8 bucks shipping.

Just a rough idea..... don't know if it will pan out, but I would love to see a T-shirt like this http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif

[JohnD]

Originally posted by Drazi Guy:
Buying T-Shirts as a fundraiser for the site?

Not me, sorry.

[JohnD]

Originally posted by Drazi Guy:
I think doing different colours on each side would reall push the price up guys http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif
20 US ought to cover shipping....

Yeah - the number of colors on the transfer and number of shirts you order will determine the price. For a rough guide, In my final undergrad days at WPI (which would mean 1990-1991), the local AIAA chapter had t-shirts printed with a 1-color transfer on less expensive gray t-shirts. The break-even price for the 4-5 dozen or more shirts they ordered was almost $20, and that didn't include shipping.

You might want to decide on the number of colors for the transfer, the size of the transfer (X by Y inches) and the type of blank shirt you'd like, then go to a few places that handle stuff like this and ask them for the per-unit prices if you'd order the number of shirts you'll expect to sell.

Like Rick said, though, you'll probably need to get permission to do this from whoever owns the rights to and controls licensing for items related to Into the Fire and Babylon 5, since you'll be selling the shirts to raise money for your site (which means you'll have to make a profit in the sales).

[Marc]

You may want to look into CafePress (www.cafepress.com) I would explain more, but it may just be easier to go there and see what they offer. The only trouble is one of copyright -If you can leave out trademarked WB material, there would most likely be no problem.

Marc

[This message has been edited by Marc (edited 06-12-2001).]

[Biggles]

Well that means no B5 logos, but if we can get permission to use the S14S logo, all we need is our own little saying for the back.

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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

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[Drazi Guy]

Basically I had in mind the S14 logo, FirstOnes, and perhaps the ItF logo you have on your page Randy.

[Banner]

Thing is, like has been said, without permission anything that has/has had to do with B5 (even Into The Fire) might be a copyright breach in some way. Just so that you know that IF you should want anything with B5 in it then try and get the permission and should it be that you are denied that I will suggest that only the "Firstones" and/or "Sector 14 Studios" logo/s are used, 'cause are you gonna get sued by them http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/tongue.gif http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif

Personally, I would buy and wear a t-shirt only if there isn't anything (sorry to say this) ridiculous "I fought for ITF..bla bla bla" or "Remember...bla bla bla...". I would personally want it clean with only the logo. -Will appear more cool methinks. Or even Aardvarks. Yeah, I kid you not http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif Anyway, I would buy the T-shirt no matter what to show my support!

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[Eric Reese]

Sure, I'd buy one. Or two. Always need a few new t-shirts.

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Three times three,
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[Biggles]

You should investigate the cost of putting a larger version of the S14S logo somewhere on it as well. Breast pocket logos can be quite hard to read.

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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

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[ZocaloHobo]

Hell Yeah!!!!

Who do I make the check out to????

I want 2!!!!!, Will go great with my ItF watch, trying to figure out how to get the Sierra logo off of it....Still wear it everyday.... http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif




[This message has been edited by ZocaloHobo (edited 06-12-2001).]

[ZocaloHobo]

Also.....How bout Polo shirts too...So I can wear it at work proudly.... http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif

With a small I fought for ItF logo and Sector 14 logo on the left front...

[JohnD]

Originally posted by Biggles:
You should investigate the cost of putting a larger version of the S14S logo somewhere on it as well.

A large picture will probably cost quite a bit more per shirt, especially if it's multi-color.

[whitestar90]

Sounds great you can put me in for a tee shirt and cd..


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[allanmc]

Count me in.

[Biggles]

JohnD: That's why I said investigate. It may not cost that much more. Sluggy.com sells shirts for $US18 with full colour large pictures. However, they are flat colours and the S14S logo isn't.

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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

"Nonono...Is not Great Machine. Is...Not-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras

[JackN]

Shirts seem to be the currency I've been paid in for the last few years since the close of the Oakhurst division...

:/

It's a good thing I do get a few bucks to buy pants with...

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[Biggles]

Are they all XXXXL shirts? http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif If they are, they could be hinting that your pants money is going to dissapear soon... http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif

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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

"Nonono...Is not Great Machine. Is...Not-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras

[Language of Hope]

I would certainly buy a t-shirt.

Originally posted by Drazi Guy:
I am also working on putting together some kind of commemorative picture CD about our efforts, our story, and all of you.That idea's still fuzzy too, and I am waiting to hear back from Rick and Randy about how much of the "full story" we would be allowed to tell...

Mmmhh. A picture CD? Do you speak of a "real CD" (e.g. made with Macromedia Director) that has a bit of user interaction etc. (at least a nice menu http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif)?? That would be cool. It shouldn't be a tough problem to produce it because we have all material in electronic form anyway. If you can't find someone to "build" it, then send me an email.

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[Data Crystal]

Interested, yes. But it's just that living in Finland and not having a credit card can have its drawbacks. I'll have another look when the prices are up and the payment system is organized. Any chance for a "I fought for B5:ITF" lenticular mousemat? http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif

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[Scizzor]

T-Shirt? Why the hell not. Although it would have to be very nice. Possibly Black with Gold trimmings. I have $50 burning a hole in my pocket!

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[Shuup Nick]

I think it's a good idea.
I'd by both the CD and the t-shirt, although I may not wear it. http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif

Cherio.

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[Gopher]

If you have 'em in XL I'll take one.

Gopher

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[Messiah]

Of course I'll buy one, two or even three!

Make sure you get different sizes, colors and such...

I'd like a medium myself...

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Vir - Are you saying you don't trust me anymore? I made your favourite, Spoo.

Londo - I'll order in.

[Zosolias]

yesssss........

[RubberEagle]

damnit, yes.. i think so.. i thought about making one myself yesterday...

And for the CD: mabe not macromedia (imho it isn't the best way to do such things), some of us might want to save the pics to their HD and and have them as (damnit.. forgot the word...) ... "background"-images on their desktops...

[C_Mon]

Yes!!

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A perfekt concert my best friend
So much to live for, so much to die for
If only my heart had a home
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[DsDetective]

Sure, why not.

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[Tyvar]

Ill pick one up. And I love the polo shirt idea, Id get a couple of those with the S-14 logo on them, or with a good ITF logo.

Humm, we need some ideas to raise money, ones that wont get us arrested http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif

Although, hey who wants to become international arms dealers?! I hear its still lucrative! http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/wink.gif

[lurker brown]

Count me in for two shirts!!!!

Anything for the Cause!

[Greven]

We buy of the one we die of the one http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif

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[bobo]

Depending on the logo, sure.

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[Asturcon]

mmmmm.......2 for me.......2 for my brother......and maybe antoher 2 to make gifts to friends...

models?

little logo in front(up left u know) and a bigger one behind?.

......mmmmmm.....if there are groups here of people near, well one guy can buy the t-shirts and reduce the shipping costs...

[madmaniac]

mmmmhh.... t-shirts!

count me in if they´re cool-looking.

btw, what about black shirts w/ S14 Print on the front/left breast and the Into the fire (the one from Marc´s homepage) logo on the back?

madmaniac

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[Ranger Brian]

I would buy some, mind you I would buy just about anything ITF related.

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[Sanfam]

No multi-color. Too expensive http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif I was also suggesting that we sell a hat or visor with the S14 logo. It would be a nice little thing. Maybe a keychain, or sticker set?

I happen to like the photo cd idea, too.

About the prices: I might be able to cut down some costs by shipping some from right here. It would not be a bad idea. If anyone has any other suggestions, please, post!

[Venom06]

I suppose I'd buy one. Who needs to eat lunch for a couple of days.

[Biggles]

If you do a sticker set, make sure you include a bumper sticker that says "Never piss off a Vorlon." like one of the devs said. http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif

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[JohnD]

Originally posted by Sanfam:
About the prices: I might be able to cut down some costs by shipping some from right here. It would not be a bad idea. If anyone has any other suggestions, please, post!

The most I'd expect you to pay for shipping is just over $3 per shirt - standard USPS 2nd-day mailing. You can get cheaper than that for standard package rate shipping.

It's the shirts that will cost more than you'd expect to see in stores, especially since I'm guessing it would need to include some profit (since DraziGuy mentioned it would be to pay for FirstOnes hosting bills).

Ignoring the issues of having visitors indirectly pay for a site discussing or based on copyrighted material by buying shirts/caps, I'm wondering how high even a 1-color transfer t-shirt would cost, given material that won't dissolve in the first wash or three, especially with profit and shipping added on to that. I'd be surprised if the total wasn't near $25 per shirt or, at best, $20+.

Good luck, though http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif

[JohnD]

Originally posted by Biggles:
JohnD: That's why I said investigate. It may not cost that much more. Sluggy.com sells shirts for $US18 with full colour large pictures. However, they are flat colours and the S14S logo isn't.

Full color meaning how many colors? 2? 4?
8? 16?

Plus, you should make sure that the actual material used in the shirt is high enough of a quality and sewn together well enough so that it won't start to fall apart in the first dozen washes, the transfer fade or flake, or the shirt start to pill up or come apart at the seams.

I've seen that happen for some of the cheaper (and $18 is cheaper, when you're dealing with small orders of t-shirts with color transfers like that) shirts, including one I ordered back as an undergrad through our local AIAA chapter. Near-paper-thin material is another stunt pulled by these guys when you see cheap prices.

If you end up paying $20 plus $3 shipping plus a profit for FirstOnes, that will probably hit $25+ unless DraziGuy sets a small profit on the shirts (which probably won't even pay for a week of his hosting bill). That's a hefty bill for a single t-shirt.

[Biggles]

The image on one of the shirts I have is more than 16 colours (I got bored of counting). They've been making them for a few years now, and switched printing processes after a while because the old process was flaking and stuff. However, they have the advantage of being able to order large numbers because of the large number they sell.
The material on their older shirts is 50% cotton 50% polyester, and feels very comfortable. I've only had the shirt three months so I don't know about wear, but someone I know has one two years old and it still looks good. I also have their most recent shirt, and it is 100% cotton, and feels more comfortable.
I'm not saying that is the way we should do ours, but there is no reason not to find out the cost.

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[This message has been edited by Biggles (edited 06-13-2001).]

[Rick]

I have the S14 logo in full color, as well as 3 black & white (sic.) versions.



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[Lord QDaan]

Personally, I'd go with two colors only, just to make it cheaper:
Dark purple overall, with bright green images and text. I'd suggest a small aardvark siloette on the left breast of the shirt, possibly a pocket, and one of the S14S logos on the back (one of the b&w made into p&g). Either Large over the entire back, or small and just below the neck.
As for the quality, spare no expense. I wnat this thing to last, and definately NO FLAKING! I hate that.

I'd buy one.

[Tanhauser]

Hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!! I like the bumper sticker idea too!

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[ZocaloHobo]

I LOVE the Bumper sticker idea.... http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif

Like Rick Said....

http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif Never Piss off a Vorlon http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif

I want that one....It'd go on the Chevy real well.....hehe

[Rhett]

Sure! Why the hell not! Maybe even 2 of them. A definate for the CD. I would love one, especialy with the story. Sounds cool.

[Alec M]

Yeah I'd go for that. Sounds like a good idea!

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[Failure Boy]

I'd certainly grab me a shirt... or a poster. A poster would be cool too. http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif

The CD sounds good too, but do you have a rough idea of what's going on it?
I'm thinking... some of the archived forums, a picture gallery of the design team, and a complete photo gallery of all the d00ds who occupy the hallowed www.firstones.com... (http://www.firstones.com...)
(Dangit, I wanna know what Biggles + Warleader look like!)

But yeah... any firstones merchandise would be rockin'!... http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/biggrin.gif

[Drazi Guy]

I would love especially to be able to put a cd like that together... I am already campaigning to get Rick, Randy, Christy and everyone else who played a role to write their stories down... already started on mine. That would be the cheapest too.... buying CD's in bulk (which I do anyways) makes the cost less than a buck Canadian per CD. Shipping about 4 bucks canadian, printing the case slips, if I got it done pro would be about 20 cents a case. Might be worth it..

I only really suggest the T-Shirt idea cause I want to have one myself http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif Makes it cheaper for me to buy if I am also buying for 60 or a hundred of you as well http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/smile.gif

I wonder... might be able to convince my father to let me use his card to set up a paypal account if I promise not to abuse it. Would make this all much easier...

[Greven]

I know how you feel. Oh father can have have $1000 for a new computer? No...

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[Marcus*COAL*Peake]

The CD sounds better and better every time ,I'l have one aswell.
http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif >< Never Piss off a Vorlon >< http://216.15.145.59/mainforums/vsml.gif COOL Bumper Sticker!

[This message has been edited by Marcus*COAL*Peake (edited 06-14-2001).]

[David of Mac]

Ohhh, boy, THAT'LL teach me not to make off-the -cuff remarks based off a wise cracking AI in the best time-travel game ever made.

[Randy]

Count me in. Anything I can do to help (beyond the history stuff) let me know.

[Biggles]

I really need to go update that history I wrote...

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The Balance provides. The Balance protects.

"Nonono...Is not Great Machine. Is...Not-so-Great Machine. It make good snow cone though." - Zathras

[SpooRancher]

$20? Sure, I'd get one.

Dave

[Barti]

Yep, I'd definitely go for a CD (and a shirt too, if they're produced).



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